Talk:Nitty Gritty Dirt Band

Australian?

Why does the article say that the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band is Australian and was formed on a walkabout when all of the information in the article describing the origins of the band suggests it's American?

Psychlist (talk) 16:32, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Way after the fact, but my guess is the issue you've mentioned is vandalism. I see it has been removed as of this reading today.THX1136 (talk) 15:45, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Untitled

This is terrible.Theres no article for the members. user:NDRiCky28

Guess it's up to you to carry the load - you up to it?--81.152.253.176 14:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

you're not kidding -vega007

Cadillac Ranch

I would think Cadillac Ranch would be one of their best know songs, but it isn't mentioned here or here. I'll have to see what I can do... --Mr Minchin 14:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Some of Shelly's Blues also got a fair amount of airplay in the UK and was written by Mike Nesmith from the Monkees as I understand it. It is a great song and deserves more of a mention. - Funkleberry

McCabes Guitar Shop

Factual error here. It's located in Santa Monica, not Long Beach —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.81.27.7 (talk) 22:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know about now, but in the 1960s and 1970s, there were two McCabe's locations, Santa Monica and Long Beach. The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band performed at the Long Beach location.Bob Caldwell CSL (talk) 13:53, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Mid 1970s lineup

I know I saw them on TV in the mid-1970s with a five-piece lineup that included both Jimmy Ibbotson and Jackie Clark. This lineup would fit between the 1974-75 and the 1976-77 lineups. Can anyone find any information on that?Bob Caldwell CSL (talk) 13:56, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

McCabes Guitar Shop

Is in Santa Monica, not Long Beach as stated in the article 45.51.188.112 (talk) 09:09, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Indeed it is. Corrected and wikilinked. --Muhandes (talk) 13:21, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Did you folks notice the previous mention that during the time frame McCabe's is mentioned there were actually 2 stores? I didn't notice on my quick read through today if the original info had been restored, but I would think for accuracy it should be left as it was originally stated. Thoughts? THX1136 (talk) 15:50, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Found two sources - The Commercial Appeal (connected to USA Today) and the Press Telegram (assuming the local Long Beach paper) - that have write ups on the Dirt Band mentioning the McCabe's in Long Beach as the place for the beginnings of the group. Also found a mention on a forum about the Long Beach location mentioning it was not connected to the Santa Monica location and was owned by a Kurt Wheaton. The location closed in 1992 after 'the riots'. Don't have time to dig a bit further - I like to have at least 3 good sources - to make the change now. Hopefully get to it soon. THX1136 (talk) 17:00, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Members

How could Jeff Hanna be a member in 1965 if the band wasn't formed til 1966? 57.140.32.38 (talk) 15:28, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Proposed merge of List of Nitty Gritty Dirt Band members into Nitty Gritty Dirt Band

Most of the historical info is duplicated in Nitty Gritty Dirt Band now that I've expanded that article. Exile (American band) had a similar level of membership overturn and doesn't have a spinoff article. Furthermore, the "List of members" article had a source that appeared to be fraudulent, as I couldn't find an article by that name in the cited issue of Billboard and it named two alleged founding members to whom I could find no reference to even existing prior to the late 90s.

Tagging @Caldorwards4:, @Martin4647:, @Andre666: Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Excluding duplicate info, article seems small enough to merge into main Nitty Gritty Dirt Band article. --Caldorwards4 (talk) 20:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  @CloversMallRat: @Ss112: @ChrisTofu11961: for further consensus. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 16:52, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

• Merge I agree with what is stated above. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 00:26, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
• Merge as per TenPoundHammer's reasoning. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

  Any of you want to help me merge? I'm not sure how much doing so would be in violation of my WP:BLAR topic-ban. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 17:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Nitty Gritty Dirt Band/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: TenPoundHammer (talk · contribs) 08:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: M4V3R1CK32 (talk · contribs) 20:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Criteria

Good Article Status - Review Criteria

Further information: WP:WIAGA

A good article is—

1. Well-written:

(a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and

(b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.

2. Verifiable with no original research:

(a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;

(b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);

(c) it contains no original research; and

(d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.

3. Broad in its coverage:

(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and

(b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).

4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

(a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and

(b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

Notes

Review

1. Well-written:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (prose)	Overall very good. There are a couple bullet points here that I think should be addressed before passing this as a GA, but they are fairly minor things. Good work! 1967-1971 served as the band's manager, helping to book them as opening acts for artists such as Joan Baez. He also helped the band sign a contract with Liberty Records, who released the band's self-titled debut album in 1967. "Buy for Me the Rain" was released as a single from this project, and it reached number 45 on the Billboard Hot 100. The band released another album for Liberty, Ricochet, later in 1967. After this album, Kunkel quit over creative differences in the band's the band...the band... the band... that phrase is repeated often in this section. Not disqualifying. 1972-1977 Bruce Eder thought these elements made the album I'd change "thought" to "wrote" for precision. Not disqualifying. 1978-1981 Stephen Thomas Erlewine of AllMusic thought the album marked a shift in the band's sound to a soft rock style. He thought the songs on the album were consistent in quality, but also thought that the album would not appeal to fans of their earlier works. thought...thought...thought... I think it's difficult to make "thought" claims. We can't really verify their thoughts. They could have thought something entirely different than what they wrote. "Said" or "wrote" is verifiable. Not disqualifying. 1983-1984 According to Ibbotson, the band chose to switch producers after moving to Warner, as they thought Putnam and Landis, despite working in country music, "thought they had to cover all bases." -- this sentence needs a little work. I'm not entirely sure what it's trying to say. 1988-1989 The first paragraph opens with McEuen leaving the band, but the second-to-last sentence says the band was reduced to a quartet that included McEuen. Something is needed in this paragraph for clarity. Earl Scruggs's son, Randy, produced the album. The album featured over 200 guests in total -- the album... the album. Repetitive. Not disqualifying. Musical styles Walter Tunis of the Lexington Herald-Leader thought that of them as an early example of the California-based country rock movement of the 1970s furthered by bands such as the Flying Burrito Brothers and Eagles, and that such a comparison was furthered when Leadon, a former member of both bands, joined. He also thought --here's that old thought chestnut again. Not disqualifying. He also thought that the band's sound during the 1970s was comparable to the Eagles -- as above.	Pass
(b) (MoS)	Lead Inconsistency in album year of last paragraph, parenthetical vs. prose. Not disqualifying.	Pass

2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (references)	Good to go here. A couple of suggestions that could be broadly applied to the other Newspaper.com links, but not something that is disqualifying for the purposes of a GA review. 1967-1971 Suggest clipping the article as a link for others who may not have Newspapers.com access. Not disqualifying. 1972-1977 Source 17: Suggest clipping the article for those without Newspapers access. Not disqualifying. 1978-1981 Source 34: Suggest clipping the article for those without Newspapers access. Not disqualifying.	Pass
(b) (citations to reliable sources)	This article relies heavily on the AllMusic biography of the band by Mark Deming. Other references to AllMusic are album reviews and certainly allowable in the context they are used in, but the biography being cited 28 times gives me some given WP:ALLMUSIC. Deming wrote a lot for AllMusic, and appears to be a paid employee writing for the site (and thus would have a vested interest in getting things right, hopefully) rather than random user. Details in the biography are corroborated by other sources, including some created before the advent of the Internet as we know it, suggesting that Deming did his research. All that said, nothing cited to the Deming bio is controversial or contentious. I'm not inclined to fail this nom for the use of the Deming biography, but would invite TenPoundHammer to see if they can replace some of the Deming references with other more reliable publications. This could just be me projecting too much from the FA process though. Additional specifics from the spot check that I think definitely should be addressed before passing this are below: 1967-1971 Source 10: It's indicated in the prose that Campbell was writing for the AP at the time. I'm not seeing any indication that Poughkeepsie Journal article listed is from the AP. Would be good to take a look at that. 1983-1984 In 1983, the band reverted its name to Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. Al Garth and Vic Mastrionni both quit the band at this point and Ibbotson rejoined as a vocalist and bass guitarist; as a result, Fadden began playing drums in addition to his existing role as harmonica player. -- I'm not seeing this in the adjacent sources. It might be in one of the books I don't have access to. I'd throw another citation at the end here for clarity. At this point, the band began finding success in country music, a move which McEuen attributed to changing tastes among fans of rock and pop music. -- This was Hanna according to the source. According to Ibbotson, the band chose to switch producers after moving to Warner, as they thought Putnam and Landis, despite working in country music, "thought they had to cover all bases." -- this is not supported by the source at the end of the sentence, and the quote does not appear in that source. Musical styles Rickey Ferguson thought the country influences were more evident on Plain Dirt Fashion due to the use of instruments such as Dobro, fiddle, and mandolin. -- source does not mention Dobro	Pass
(c) (original research)	Well-sourced and cited throughout. Not seeing OR here.	Pass
(d) (copyvio and plagiarism)	Source spot check show no copyvio/plagiarism.	Pass

3. Broad in its coverage:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (major aspects)	Very comprehensive. Well done!	Pass
(b) (focused)	This is NGDB all the way through.	Pass

4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.

Notes	Result
Well written, good balance of praise and criticism from the reviewers. Good work!	Pass

5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

Comment	Result
Relatively new and no sign of edit warring or ongoing	Pass

6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

Criteria	Notes	Result
(a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales)	I don't see anything that jumps out to me as inappropriate in the licensing of these images.	Pass
(b) (appropriate use with suitable captions)	Good to go.	Pass

Result

Result

Notes

Pass

There are several small items I think should be addressed, and I invite TenPoundHammer to consider replacing references to the Deming AllMusic biography with other more reliable sources where possible. Overall, excellent work on this and I think it is super close to being promoted. Update: All comments have been addressed. Great work! I am happy to promote. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 16:15, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Looks like a lot of the reference issues are from me accidentally moving around footnotes and forgetting to put them back. I'll work on that first. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 23:40, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

@M4V3R1CK32: Think I took care of all the issues so far. I tried to mix up the words more, and I think I got all the footnotes. Added a bit more from McEuen's book to corroborate a couple points. AllMusic source should be fine. Only time AllMusic for a bio was a problem was Pirates of the Mississippi, where their bio is so inaccurate as to be useless. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 08:03, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

@TenPoundHammer: I'm in agreement on AllMusic. Thanks for addressing, I am happy to promote this article! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 16:15, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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